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Merticus
03-06-2007, 08:20 PM
The following does not reflect the opinions of Sanguinox and is posted strictly for the purpose of debate -RevDevon


Ahh why not... being debated other places :)


Revised, February 23rd, 2007

© Copyright 1997-2007 The Sanguinarium, all rights reserved. The Black Veil is a trademark of SABRETOOTH. Permission granted to reproduce in while without modification.

...there are two types of laws; just and unjust. I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws...a just law is a code [that] squares with the moral law...rooted in eternal law and natural law.
- from Letter from Birmingham City Jail by Dr. Martin Luther King

This is the ONLY edition of the Veil endorsed by the original author; SABRETOOTH and is the foundation of ethics for the Sanguinarium. Previous editions have high merits; however, they have not fully captured or expressed in words how to avoid potential liabilities in the tangible Dayside realities of the mundane world. These realities must be first addressed in order to ensure the security and prosperity of the Family. Those Strigoi Vii or Black Swans who violate these laws within the Family may, at least, face banishment or permanent excommunication. In reality they are betraying themselves by giving up their own opportunity to achieve Zhepr through their own actions.

We Strigoi Vii are socially responsible individuals, and the consequences of Our actions may have various, often negative, repercussions as We become more visible to the Dayside world. Those who proudly bear the Legacy Ankh close to their hearts, be they Strigoi Vii or Black Swan, make the statement that they are upholding the Black Veil. These acts are innate common sense for the responsible members of Our Family. The Black Veil gives us the freedom and foundation to be powerful by avoiding issues that may get in Our way.

TENET I: SECRETS

Secrets protect and bind Us to the foundation of these Laws. Our Mysteries are Our own and those who wish to explore them should seek them out alone, through personal initiative and action. As a sleight of hand magician would employ the principle of "hidden in plain sight," so does the Living Vampyre. Honor one's choice of privacy, for example, in regards to their mundane identity, and never disclose any personal information without explicit permission. This law is also extended between Vampyres. Let the individual make the choice to reveal even the most basic facts of themselves, such as being Strigoi Vii, their level of initiation, the mundane personal information, etc., to others.

Public discussion of Strigoi Vii and the Mysteries with the media, in public forums, or with those not of the Blood or Black Swan is an obvious violation of this law. At all times speak only for yourself and not for the whole of the Family. Leave that to those select members of the Priesthood who are properly trained in public relations. Never share the contents of the Sanguinomicon with those who have not read Our Mysteries. Let Seekers solve the Mysteries on their own.

TENET II: HONOR MUNDANE LAW

Adherence to the laws of Our local governments, even if We disagree with them, is essential to provide Us the freedom to explore Our Nightside nature. If We disagree with mundane laws, We must strive to be individually and socially responsible enough to change them through mundane legal means. Our Laws are Our own!

TENET III: THE METAPHOR OF BLOOD

Strigoi Vii view Blood as a symbol and metaphor of the subtle life-force, better known as prana, chi or ki. We extend this Blood metaphor also to symbolize the ties of the greater Strigoi Vii Family. We are not wanna-bes, seduced by the Glamour of fiction and Hollywood, who consume physical blood. To satisfy Our spiritual hunger We know other more refined and higher forms of feeding, which We find much more efficient, and which sustain Our Mysteries. This creates a clear avoidance of legal liabilities and health risks such as blood-borne diseases including Hepatitis, Syphilis, HIV/AIDS, etc. Strigoi Vii simply cannot tolerate blood drinking as We, Living Vampyres, do not drink physical human blood for the purpose of experiencing Our Mysteries and fueling Zhep'r.

TENET IV: RESPONSIBILITY FOR MINORS

We must honor the need for minors to establish a skeptical, objective, and rational Dayside foundation before exploring and embracing the Nightside. Those who have not reached the age of majority (eighteen in the United States) must not be permitted or encouraged to explore Our Mysteries, participate in ritual, or enter Our Sanctums under any conditions. Thus no minor shall ever be involved in Strigoi Vii, either privately or publicly, until they come of age.

TENET V: CURRENT & QUEST

The Current of Elorath is the "Blood" which is the signature of those of Our Family. The collective duty of all Strigoi Vii is the Quest, which is Our collective duty. We must search out those lost souls with Strigoi Vii potential who are not yet aware of Our Family. However, never force a potential to follow Our way, as Vampyres are not rebels, nor are We mindless followers. Always use one of the proven tools of supporting the Quest as to not degrade Our Mysteries. Give the Seeker the hint and let them feel the Calling and come if and when they are ready. Never support or join an organization that opposes the Family Mysteries. Never enter into debates with mundanes or try and convert them or see Our ways, as it is in conflict with the Glamour and a waste of time and energy. Betraying the Quest is not only betraying the Family, it is betraying yourself.

ENDORSEMENTS:

"The Black Veil, Strigoi Vii edition is the perfect example of what Guidelines should be. It completely covers both the Nightside and Dayside responsibilities that each of us holds as Adults. And I, Dragan Dracul, fully Support and Endorse the Black Veil, Strigoi Vii edition."
~Dragan Dracul, Atlantis North Halo (South Carolina)

"YES! I endorse this edition of the Strigoi ViiBlack Veil, Finally a version I feel relates to everything which should have been expressed already in previous editions."
~Lord Kane, Neckros Halo (Eastern Ohio)

"The newest edition of the Black Veil, Strigoi Vii edition is to the Sanguinarium as Natural Law, as codified by Aristotle is to the foundation of societies as a whole. This effort to produce a document, both clear and concise has met with great success. It can be viewed as a strong foundation for all interested in the success and safe growth of the Community at large."
~Zomas Beckett, Gotham Halo (New York Metro area)

"The Black Veil Strigoi Vii edition is a good example of keeping it short and simple. It addresses all the points it should, is clear, direct and based on common sense. Therefore I Morikell of the Halo of Xion hereby endorse and uphold the Black Veil and enter into its new Pact."
~Morikell, Xion Halo (Amsterdam, Netherlands)

"I like, it is very direct and easy to inform the readers and interested peoples about our natures and society.. Thus I Lord A, from Noir Haven Theatro dos Vampiros of São Paulo, Brazil fully endorse and join the Pact of the new Black Veil."
~Lord A, (San Paulo, Brazil)

"This is clear and everything is said. I endorse the Black Veil and I'll respect the pact. Thank you for giving me the chance to be what I really am."
~Sweevil, Lutèce Halo (Paris, France)

"I have been Mradu upholding the covenants of the Black Veil in this community for many years, these amendments are much needed and wholeheartedly endorsed by myself, and my Nadja by proxy. Well done, these were long overdue."
~Azrael Frost, The Draconian Prime, Sunset Halo (South Florida, USA)

"Ascertain integrity, seek great stature of character by holding to your virtues and duties, realizing that the act of striving towards these honorable ideals ennobles the spirit, and elevates the individual. I, Madame X of the Dreaming, strongly recommend adherence to the fundamental ideals expressed within The Black Veil Strigoi Vii Edition; they are the sword and shield of our Community."
~ Madame X, Atlantis Halo, (Savannah, GA)

"I feel that the new Strigoi Vii edition of the Black Veil is a very positive and large step forward. Mundane law is something which needed to be addressed, and this edition does so. Furthermore this edition is much more intuitive than past versions. I, Sekhethsis of the Kheprian Progressionism movement, fully endorse the Strigoi Vii edition of the Black Veil."
~Sekhethsis, Trillium Halo (Toronto, Canada)

http://blackveil.strigoivii.com/

RKCoon
03-06-2007, 08:29 PM
Do you even WANT me to comment, cause i promise, itl lbe anything but "pretty". *vomits*

Craze
03-06-2007, 08:59 PM
Zomas Beckett, Gotham Halo (New York Metro area)



...I've met that guy, well from afar at any rate.. Its not like I walked up, shook his hand and said "Hi! I'm Craze!" ..uhh No. Anyway... Stating that the black veil is endorsed by him is really no surprise. This guy walks around enmeshed in black leather, capes and fangs 24/7/365 and I'd bet money that he sleeps in a coffin.

This entire 'newest edition' is simply a poor, washed out old man trying to recapture some twisted version of glory that he thought he had. He makes claims of being a spokesman for the vampiric community, and it is true that he is our most public face, but thats not through any of OUR choices. I'd be willing to bet that if we could get away with it, alot of people would have shown him exactly what the vast majority of the community think of him.

The fact that he uses a quote from Dr. King is just offensive and ludicrous. The Civil Rights Movement of the 50's and 60's can in NO way be even slightly compared to vampirism. To use a quote such as this to portray his own twisted and distorted views, and to reclaim some of his lost 'glory days' is just...disgusting.
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darkangel5778
03-06-2007, 09:26 PM
ugh...~keeps from puking dinner~ interesting how people do this.........I won't comment here............here as on many topics that I feel too strongly about...I don't comment............I don't need to get pissy with everyone in my life about something like this lmao..........but D-A-Y-A-M-N!!!!! reminds me why I prefer solitude lmao meeting someone like that...............lmao they would not enjoy a piece fo my rather.........interesting mind lmfao:lol2:

RevDevon
03-07-2007, 07:25 AM
just as a quick personel side note ....I'm sure the only reason this was composed was due to the fact that recently the renewed efforts of the new sangunarium forum and they aree trying to get members and activity ... and I feel the need to remind our members of our own ''Sanguinox Creed ''

http://sanguin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=801

ChadSang
03-07-2007, 07:07 PM
I won't even comment on this, just as RLCoon won't. You haven't seen me mad as hell yet on here. Let's hope I never have to be that way.

Craze
03-07-2007, 08:36 PM
I won't even comment on this, just as RLCoon won't. You haven't seen me mad as hell yet on here. Let's hope I never have to be that way.

*Can't help but fall out of her chair laughing*

Lost
03-08-2007, 02:37 AM
Well it’s interesting, I can’t say as I have read much into The Black Veil. Like all groups or organisations such as this they have their own systems and not all will find their ways appealing let alone reasonable. I tend to steer clear of this kinda thing but don’t mind reading up on it from time to time.

Malcaius
03-08-2007, 05:46 AM
http://blackveil.strigoivii.com/[/url]

well thats one way to alienate a large faction of the vampire community, who the fuck do they think they are deciding to mark sang's as fakers and "wanna-bee's" this only continues to breed the long standing tensions between psi and sang teachings and practitioners

and Todd and his old guard can go take a flying fuck off a hugh cliff

Preist
03-08-2007, 08:22 AM
yeh but wasent Todd or Toad as hes referd to in the UK not a self proclaimed faker who built his empire up around the role playing comunity if any one can prove me worng on that count please do.

but again if an organisation decides to say a sang is wrong for what there doing why then have this

"© Copyright 1997-2007 The Sanguinarium, all rights reserved. The Black Veil is a trademark of SABRETOOTH. Permission granted to reproduce in while without modification."
as seen here "© Copyright 1997-2007 The Sanguinarium," it looks up to date at being 2007 so why still use SANGuinarium again contradictions and no wonder there lacking in members and seeking new people to buy into the BS thats hanging around the OVC these days

comercial popularity contests its all the same and changing things to suit there own needs and not that of the comunity so were does that leave the comunity?

Preist

Craze
03-08-2007, 09:46 AM
It leaves the community in the dust, as usual. Todd never gave two shits about the community or anyone in it, the only thing he ever cared about was furthering his own image and lining his own pockets. Why do you think he's never left the community, even after he said he was going to?

ChadSang
03-08-2007, 10:22 AM
"Todd and his old guard can go take a flying fuck off a hugh cliff"

Fuck Todd and the broom he rode in on. That other site that has been discussed is where I used to hang my hat. But, then it got to the point that wanted nothing more to do with it. So I discovered Nox and liked it a lot. I sent messages to all my friends and telling them come on over to Nox, you'll love it. Incubus told me back then that my group of people really put some exciting life at Nox. I'm glad I could contribute what I could.

Valentina
03-14-2007, 01:22 PM
I'm anti-authoritarian, thanks to my experience with "religion."

My take on this is: I am an adult. I have a conscience. I will not/do not need anyone to dictate how I should act. If someone is a psychopath, the Black Veil is not going to stop them.

The elitist statement about not condoning blood-drinking made me chuckle.

Just wait - there will be a shift in the vampire community soon, with many saying, "I have moved beyond drinking blood. I have matured and grown spiritually." Certainly, one can use psi abilities to feed. Some of us have to. But that does not make us spiritually advanced, IMHO.

It's just a load of elitist/hierarchical crap.

ChadSang
03-14-2007, 01:43 PM
I'm anti-authoritarian, thanks to my experience with "religion."

My take on this is: I am an adult. I have a conscience. I will not/do not need anyone to dictate how I should act. If someone is a psychopath, the Black Veil is not going to stop them.

The elitist statement about not condoning blood-drinking made me chuckle.

Just wait - there will be a shift in the vampire community soon, with many saying, "I have moved beyond drinking blood. I have matured and grown spiritually." Certainly, one can use psi abilities to feed. Some of us have to. But that does not make us spiritually advanced, IMHO.of elitist/hierarchical crap.

Yes, your right on the black veil plus the last paragraph. Personally, I wiil stay with Nox because of the vamps and wannebes. I Will stick with my sang feeding and my other abilities I discussd in former chapter (I think).

Valentina
03-14-2007, 02:50 PM
Yes, your right on the black veil plus the last paragraph. Personally, I wiil stay with Nox because of the vamps and wannebes. I Will stick with my sang feeding and my other abilities I discussd in former chapter (I think).

I am in the process or reading your writings, Chad. They are important and I'm glad you are sharing your insight and wisdom

Having said what I did, I would think that Houses would need some kind of structure. But that would depend on what their goals are, whether they are just a social thing or trying to bring vampires and donors together. I think it might get real sticky bringing donors and vampires together. Legalities and all - so some rules could be in order.

ChadSang
03-14-2007, 03:40 PM
I am in the process or reading your writings, Chad. They are important and I'm glad you are sharing your insight and wisdom

Having said what I did, I would think that Houses would need some kind of structure. But that would depend on what their goals are, whether they are just a social thing or trying to bring vampires and donors together. I think it might get real sticky bringing donors and vampires together. Legalities and all - so some rules could be in order.

Thanks for the info. I have seen houses and more expensive residences marble floors etc. I'm all for Sangsplan a good nght toast callig more. Jon Jon took off to ind ....these all bring their feeding kits. Thats very secreately done.