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Lauren
01-26-2007, 04:15 PM
It is human nature to focus on what's wrong. Afterall, how can you fix something if you do not know what to fix? Sometimes, however, we focus on the "wrong" to the extent we overlook what's good. It is important to keep those things in mind too since, when making the changes to correct what does not work, we do not want to lose the things that do, or the things that make us strong.

It is no different for us here at Nox or in the vampire community. I've observed at least three threads specifically devoted to what's wrong with the vampire community and we've certainly voiced our opinions on that, with the three threads having 37, 51, 23, replies, respectively, and at least other threads made for other purposes, that turned into, or included more of what's wrong. There is NOTHING wrong with that. In fact, it's an element of what's right. Rightly, our strengths should be those things we keep firmly in mind because those will be what forms the foundation. With that solidly lain in place, we can correct what is wrong and build a strong and sound community.

Still, we do need to remind ourselves and each other of the things that are right, the things we have retained or made better. This is a matter of balance, and if we forget to look at what's right, we inundate ourselves with the negativity, and eventually have what we are starting to see now... discouragement, placing of blame, hopelessness, and a feeling of helplessness.

So, what is right in our community?

Knowledge. At no time in our history have we ever had such knowledge and the sharing of that knowledge than we do today. Most of us, who have any chronological age to us, know what it was like before the advent of the internet. We struggled on our own, learned by trial and error, sometimes with devastating results... and we did it alone. Today we have the means to come together and share, and encourage, and help each other with problems we face and we do it from the very real benefit of experience. We've learned many things that work for us, and those things have made our lives easier, and better, and more comfortable... and even safer. We have the ability to continue to share that with many more than we already have. The sharing of this knowledge, which will only grow, and help more and more is very right for us individually and collectively. We've shared information that has and does help us keep safe from disease. We have learned ways to manipulate our surroundings to help us through cravings and weaknesses, to strengthen us until we can find what we truly need, which has brought us a greater level of comfort. We have found friendship, and comraderie which has helped us to feel less alone and given us more options. By sharing of information, we've learned that even more is being learned, and with each bit of new knowledge, we grow even more and find more comfort and safety and understanding, and thereby, less fear and confusion.

We have created more awareness, both for ourselves, and for others not part of our community which has made tolerance and acceptance more existant. I admit, we still have much further to go, and it's by far, perfect, but I'm sure each of you can think of ways your life has been better since promoting awareness of our kind. I can remember a time when just mentioning real vampirism would spark a war, and while it's still a touchy subject, it's much easier to bring it up and discuss it today. I can remember a time in my own life when just admitting to one silly symptom of this condition, incited anger, disgust, and abuse. Now the mention of it, while still, unaccepted, brings little more than ... "do you need medication?", or strange looks. Annoying to be brushed off or not taken seriously? Hell yeah, but it still is an improvement over attempts to have one committed, or having one's property vandalized, or physical assault. I know it still goes on, but in my own life, I've seen a decline in the worst cases of intolerance. How many of you can see even the slightest change in your own lives?

Elders... Yes, There is something right about our "elders". These people are doing a lot of things right and I believe given time, and support, they'll do even more. What we often forget is that even though we call them elders, many of them are young in physical years. They're people who admit they do not consider themselves "elders", yet the community needed leaders and when some of us came looking to them for guidance, they took that resonsibility on themselves because someone had to. Even those who are older, are relatively new to running and building a community... their knowledge is strong in vampirism and the things that affect us, but many of them are still gaining wisdom in other areas and they're doing their very best to build something they dont fully understand. I'm not putting down our elders, but at a time when they're still testing beliefs, and growing in maturity, they're taking on their shoulders the responsibility for a whole group of people and I'll tell you that is a huge burden for anyone, let alone someone still struggling to find wisdom in their own lives. It's easy for you, and hell, even me to sit here and type out these long diatribes because when it's all said and done, the responsibility for success or failure of these posts to make a difference, isn't on our shoulders. I can spend my hour writing this, and I'll either get a pat on the back or someone will say I'm an idiot... but when the community succeeds or crumbles, no one will remember my name or blame me for its success or fall. THESE people, often young people, are the ones who will be remembered. Believe me, it is not an easy job. These are the people who, without any manual, or instructions, or basis for which to build, have cared enough to build what they thought would work. Now they're seeing it didn't work as they thought it might, and they're struggling to make a new policy. It was thrust on them just as quickly as it was when they built the first community and now they're faced with... "we have to do something now". If we look deeper, though there seems to be much confussion about which way to go, and each elder seems to have a different idea on what will help the community, they're all thinking, they're all saying ... "I'm sorry it didn't work" and most of them are taking the blame saying they were wrong. That tells me these people are NOT the arrogant leader who demands to be heeded. They're listening and this TOO is making things more confusing. They are taking into consideration each suggestion and trying to please everyone because they know the more agreement they find, the more people will get behind what is being done. Mind you, they wont find a system that pleases everyone but what is right is that they CARE enough to try and they're being real about it.

There is something inherantly right about the bickering, long discussions, and heated debate in our community. Oh, I knew when I said that you were all going to say "Okay, She was doing good but now she's totally lost her mind" but, far from it. While the bickering and arguing can cloud our judgment and can distract us from our purpose, it does show that what we care... and we ALL care. We care enough that we're willing to annoy someone and bring disapproval to ourselves, in order to be heard and hopefully help make a change. I've seen this sort of restructuring done in other communities and I've seen many of them crumble because the community didn't care enough to get their hands dirty. They simply faded back into the shadows having the attitude, "we did it alone before, and we'll do it again". THIS community seems to realize what would be lost by moving back in time to when we were solitary and without the strength of the group. Many of these members have some very good instincts and strong insight. Some of them have said some very profound things. It's hard to notice it sometimes when one is trying to see past the anger and frustration that saturates the message, but it's there. The anger and frustration is but proof of the care and love they have for this community. People simply do not exert themselves or spend emotions on things they do not care about.

I truly believe in this community. I see the confusion and I see the frustration and I see a community going through the natural reactions that come with great change or restructure. This change is very much in its infancy and this stage of the change is normal also. THIS is where we look at both what is right and wrong because we must know that before we can decide what changes need to be made, and how to make them. This is also usually the hardest stage of change. Let's look at it all, lets remind ourselves and each other of not only what needs changing but also, those things we hope never change.

Once we can do that, we need to decide where we want to go, what goals we want to reach and THEN it will be easier to build the society we all wish. Even so, I reiterate, it's going to take all of us working together, each doing our best individually, for the benefit of us all.
Lauren

MLE
01-26-2007, 04:44 PM
It's nice to see someone focusing on the positive for a change. I must say I have really enjoyed the insight you have brought with you to our home, and welcome to the family! I hope to see more posts from you hun.

Lauren
01-26-2007, 05:10 PM
It's hard when things are in upheaval to look at what's right. Often there is a sense of urgency to "fix" things and it's easy to ignore what is right because that doesn't cause concern.

It needs to be kept in mind because any change can have an unintended effect on something else... and it could be one of those good things that gets lost in the transformation.

We need to keep our minds open to the good, also, because it encourages us. Nothing is more discouraging than believing, with best intentions, one has done everything wrong. It perpetuates the feeling that there's no hope.

There is a lot of hope for this community and I really hope I can be around, and involved in its success. In no way have I said all that's good about our community. I sincerely hope others will add to this thread the things they see.

We're also not going to see everything that needs changing or keeping. Only time will bear those things out, and we'll make adjustments as we go.

Thank you MLE. :)

MLE
01-26-2007, 05:55 PM
Thank you hun! It's refreshing to see hope alive in others.

RKCoon
01-26-2007, 08:18 PM
Hmm. Interesting ideas there. i tend to agree with most of it, withthe biggest exception being elders - i wouldnt bother with the term, myself. if yu want to say, those that have the experience and knowledge and so on, fine, but no ones perfect. ;)

Now, there is one good thing i think should be mentioned -- communication. we have, at our fingertips, an unparraled ability to freely and safely communicate - online. this alone, in the last , well its goin on 6 years that ive been a part of this community (ie vampirism) ive see nthe TREMENDOUS gains and strides for our comunity as a whole. weve advanced, learned, and (tho quite a bit unfortuneatly i think) actually have safely stepped somewhat out into the spotlight of the world. without this, wed prolly be stuck in the stone ages -- and countless numbers of us wouldnt ever have a clue, or have anyone that could help them out. on the whole, i think this has been the best thing to happen to us, and its the good part of the community -- we can no longer be silenced.

However, all that being said, id hate to see what good weve gained to date be lost in a moment of naivetee or similar. just because weve gained, does not mean we can be less vigilant -- on the contrary, it means we must be even more so than before.

Vicereine
01-27-2007, 06:37 AM
Another great post Lauren.

As I said in another thread I believe, as fluffy as this sounds, we need to remember that we are a family.

That comes with all the trappings of said analogy; hidden agendas, bickering, rivalry etc etc....

BUT in the spirit of this thread, it ALSO contains; comraderie, loyalty, respect and assistance.

I believe that EVERYONE in the community has an obligation to contribute.. not meaning they need to strive for the maximum posts, or the most intelligent threads, but more over, what goes unseen. Those that rarely post on forum, but end up talking in PM or IM to others and offering support and understanding are as important to the health --yes the health-- of the community.

There are politics in every family and everyone needs to be aware of them, but that doesnt mean they have to be 'of' them. Familys and communities do function on a heirarchy for the most part, usually unseen.

In my opinion, we need to stop thinking everything is the responsibility of someone else, someone older/more experienced/more active .. which ever you want to pick.

I also think that this doesnt necessarily mean we should all donn the colours of revolution and change everything. Merely contribute and be PART of the family not another babe in arms in need of constant attention or nurture... there is a season for everything and those times do come to us all... but so does the time to pay attention and aid others.

We have a great family here. And for the most part, I think we all have respect for it. Lets hold onto that while we venture forwards shall we?

ChadSang
01-27-2007, 04:10 PM
YES, it is a very important thing since we're family and we should try to keep negative thoughts at a minimum.

darklin
01-28-2007, 07:36 PM
Yet another insightful and well written article Lauren :D

I’m so glad to see someone bringing some positive vibes back around. I hope everyone that reads this will be inspired to look at things differently and in a more brighter light then resent threads have been looked upon (not that I don’t agree with a good debate) but its refreshing to read something like this.

It’s very true that when we are blinded by negativity we over look what’s good about a situation and in many cases our RL struggles are unleashed into a debate that only makes for misunderstandings.
More understanding is needed and the members here I feel should be made to feel that they are never judged unless they bring drama to our community.
A feeling of being needed and that you make a difference can humble the most hardened of hearts.
The first time I ever had a sense of family apart from when I had my son was when I came to Nox...
Before then I was never a big fan of having too many people around me either online or off.
I was welcomed here with open arms and made to feel apart of something that was worth opening up for. I was given all the guidance I needed and then some.
Since joining Nox I have had a roller coaster ride of a life offline from having a psychotic stalker to loosing my father and this is the one place I know I can always find friendship and support when ever I need it.
There are so many here that will give selflessly to others who need it and that is what keeps me here.
The members here old and new, here or gone are my family and I’m treated as a part of the family as are all members.
I’m not too good with what normally happens within a big family unit but I’ve gotten a sense of that from being here and that alone has taught me so much about myself and about other people.
It has taught me the art of patience and of being able to step back when its needed.
If one of us are kicked we all limp and so on. I will always be grateful for being given a chance here and finding my way in my struggle to find out just who and what I am.
I was never told what I was here I was gently guided in the right direction which made me look harder and deeper and in the end made me learn some vital lessons which without the people here at Nox and there guidence I would have never found.

Darklin

Lauren
01-29-2007, 12:11 AM
Hmm. Interesting ideas there. i tend to agree with most of it, withthe biggest exception being elders - i wouldnt bother with the term, myself. if yu want to say, those that have the experience and knowledge and so on, fine, but no ones perfect. ;)

That is actually the definition of "elder". An elder is not, as most believe, a term meaning age related. That would be "elderly" or "older". Elder simply means that someone has great knowledge in the field in which they hold that title. It's less of a mouthful than saying "those that have the experience and knowledge". The term "elder" also does not denote perfection, only a strong level of knowledge and understanding.


Now, there is one good thing i think should be mentioned -- communication. we have, at our fingertips, an unparraled ability to freely and safely communicate - online. this alone, in the last , well its goin on 6 years that ive been a part of this community (ie vampirism) ive see nthe TREMENDOUS gains and strides for our comunity as a whole. weve advanced, learned, and (tho quite a bit unfortuneatly i think) actually have safely stepped somewhat out into the spotlight of the world. without this, wed prolly be stuck in the stone ages -- and countless numbers of us wouldnt ever have a clue, or have anyone that could help them out. on the whole, i think this has been the best thing to happen to us, and its the good part of the community -- we can no longer be silenced.

I see some unfortunate aspects, but also some great ones. Face it, we're the pioneers in this particular movement and we're facing all the same growing pains as all the pioneers who've gone before, and made a difference for their community.


However, all that being said, id hate to see what good weve gained to date be lost in a moment of naivetee or similar. just because weve gained, does not mean we can be less vigilant -- on the contrary, it means we must be even more so than before.

I think we came close to that and that is what has brought us here. I don't think we will be naive again, at least not as badly as we were in the past. I do not think focusing on positive things, necessarily mean we've gone soft or have lost site of the traps we fell into in the past.


As I said in another thread I believe, as fluffy as this sounds, we need to remember that we are a family.

That comes with all the trappings of said analogy; hidden agendas, bickering, rivalry etc etc....

BUT in the spirit of this thread, it ALSO contains; comraderie, loyalty, respect and assistance.

I believe some consider us a family, and while I'm not ready to go that far with the "family" bit, I agree we have a common bond and common goal (even if the means to reaching the goal differ). I think that bond can help make us stronger and more allied and ultimately more apt to acheive our goal.


I believe that EVERYONE in the community has an obligation to contribute.. not meaning they need to strive for the maximum posts, or the most intelligent threads, but more over, what goes unseen. Those that rarely post on forum, but end up talking in PM or IM to others and offering support and understanding are as important to the health --yes the health-- of the community.

Yes! We all have our talents and our strengths. Oftimes it's those quiet ones, who plod on barely noticed among those of us with the largest voices, who make a big difference. I believe those of us who are the quiet ones, need to be encouraged too, and have them know they are valued also.


There are politics in every family and everyone needs to be aware of them, but that doesnt mean they have to be 'of' them. Familys and communities do function on a heirarchy for the most part, usually unseen.

Sometimes the best leaders are those who lead without anyone knowing they're leading. Politics... Well, that's an innocent word that has taken on a negative meaning. Dont we love to ruin good words? :) But yes, Politics simply means the internal workings of a government or community. Political deception and Political manipulation... that's what I think we all want to say away from.


In my opinion, we need to stop thinking everything is the responsibility of someone else, someone older/more experienced/more active .. which ever you want to pick.

The blame-game is such a waste. It has absolutely NO beneficial gain, and does so much harm and wastes so much time and effort that could be spent "fixing" what needs fixed.


I also think that this doesnt necessarily mean we should all donn the colours of revolution and change everything. Merely contribute and be PART of the family not another babe in arms in need of constant attention or nurture... there is a season for everything and those times do come to us all... but so does the time to pay attention and aid others.

I agree with that fully. There are things, I'm sure, we all know need changing rapidly, but as hard as change is for people, I think once a firm foundation is laid and we're all at least pointed in the direction we wish to go, our focus should to maintain and grow gradually.

YES, it is a very important thing since we're family and we should try to keep negative thoughts at a minimum.

Yes, but again, as RK said, not at the expense of being naive. It would be destructive for us to ever lose sight of those things, even those things we perceive as negative. We need to balance our positivity/"negativity" with necessity, otherwise, we are much like the story of the Emperor's New Clothes, refusing to admit... we're nekkid. (Looks in the mirror and shudders) *laugh*

Lauren
01-29-2007, 12:14 AM
Yet another insightful and well written article Lauren :D

I’m so glad to see someone bringing some positive vibes back around. I hope everyone that reads this will be inspired to look at things differently and in a more brighter light then resent threads have been looked upon (not that I don’t agree with a good debate) but its refreshing to read something like this.

It’s very true that when we are blinded by negativity we over look what’s good about a situation and in many cases our RL struggles are unleashed into a debate that only makes for misunderstandings.
More understanding is needed and the members here I feel should be made to feel that they are never judged unless they bring drama to our community.
A feeling of being needed and that you make a difference can humble the most hardened of hearts.
The first time I ever had a sense of family apart from when I had my son was when I came to Nox...
Before then I was never a big fan of having too many people around me either online or off.
I was welcomed here with open arms and made to feel apart of something that was worth opening up for. I was given all the guidance I needed and then some.
Since joining Nox I have had a roller coaster ride of a life offline from having a psychotic stalker to loosing my father and this is the one place I know I can always find friendship and support when ever I need it.
There are so many here that will give selflessly to others who need it and that is what keeps me here.
The members here old and new, here or gone are my family and I’m treated as a part of the family as are all members.
I’m not too good with what normally happens within a big family unit but I’ve gotten a sense of that from being here and that alone has taught me so much about myself and about other people.
It has taught me the art of patience and of being able to step back when its needed.
If one of us are kicked we all limp and so on. I will always be grateful for being given a chance here and finding my way in my struggle to find out just who and what I am.
I was never told what I was here I was gently guided in the right direction which made me look harder and deeper and in the end made me learn some vital lessons which without the people here at Nox and there guidence I would have never found.

Darklin

:) I think it's all about keeping it ALL in focus. Nothing changes for the better when we refuse to weigh all the information available to us. And us mom's know... you dont throw the baby out with the bath water. Thanks Darklin.

L.

darklin
02-01-2007, 07:00 AM
Im sure as hell we can make this thread a few pages long people!

Lauren
02-01-2007, 12:43 PM
I had hoped this could be used to help us focus on our strengths and thereby enable us to find that we have a stronger foundation on which to build than it seems we believe. As much as we have to build on, which is considerable, at this point in time, it seems more the case our community is still in panic and confussion, and it seems even a good bit of anger and blame.

I never expected this thread to be as popular as the others, we're dealing with humans afterall and humans find it easier and feel more useful when they're attacking the "problems" they see. There's a false sense of safety when doing this, we feel like we're working toward something. The draw-back is that we cannot work toward something until we know from where we're working and from what strengths and abilities we're working with.

I am relatively new in the community, though I've been on the out-fringes peeking in from time to time, so I cannot say this next, with any certainty. It could be, however, that I posted this before its time. We may still be in the stage where it feels counter-productive to focus on the positive. Most often, this is just a stage, and we'll pass through it, but there are those times when the individuals are of the personality or character who just like the "fight". We have those who have very definite beliefs on what they believe is wrong, who they believe is wrong, but very little in the way of what they want for the future.

Honestly I thought this might help us get where we need to be because until we know what our goal is, and who and what strengths we have to help us reach each of those goals, we're just spinning our wheels. I've rarely seen anyone spin their wheels when stuck in mire like this, who didn't just create a bigger mess... slinging mud everywhere and just burying ourselves deeper. *laughs*

Maybe if I can get my thoughts to co-operate, I can come up with something a bit more focused and less general than this. Either way, I'm not giving up. :)

L.

Camazotz
02-01-2007, 12:57 PM
Well for myself... no matter what happens, our community will always be good because of those people in it who shine so brightly. Through Nox and other sites I've met some wonderful people, who've shaped my life, who've taught me, let me teach them, who've been there through the storms of life.

What I really celebrate in our community is the people who still want to learn- those who, regardless of their time served, are not afraid to admit that they don't know everything, that there is still more to learn from others. Those who willingly share their time and knowledge to the benefit of the whole, rather than for any personal gain. Also, those people who care enough to get upset when they feel things aren't going as they should... there is so much good desire for community and a sense of fellowship- we just don't always all make the best choices of how to channel that energy.

stainless
02-01-2007, 01:25 PM
Nox is the dog's bollocks, face it or feck off I reckon.

Got some bright, brilliant and blindingly amazing people here, and I love it!!!

THANKYOU EVERYONE ON NOX!!!!

Stainless xxxx

Vicereine
02-01-2007, 01:29 PM
Well I think I have just about bored everyone with my 'family' rants and metaphorical point presentation in this and the other relevant threads of the moment. But I would like to thank Lauren for giving this its own thread, and for bringing it to the attention of all of us....

bravoooooooooooooo

Savion
02-01-2007, 05:10 PM
I too believe in the family aspect, but...I have been with the vampire community several years now and in that time have become more jaded than even I would like to admit.

Nox itself has made more of an impression on me than any other site I have been a member of. The reason is quite simple, even though many posts as of late have been negative toward the community in general they express passion and the intelligence of those behind them. This gives ones even as jaded as myself hope, and the desire to participate and make a difference. Something I thought I had lost completely.

Alyushia
02-02-2007, 02:53 AM
I have seen more intelligent, thought provoking posts here than most other boards.
Of course there are disagreements, there always will be...and I believe that is healthy. It causes people to think about their opinions.
What I have noticed, is the difference in the way they are handled here in comparison to many boards. I have witnessed more adult behavior here, and I value that greatly.

Rikkar
02-04-2007, 07:56 AM
I have not been here long enough to make an informed and intelligent reply. However, I can tell you what I see "right" from a newcomer's standpoint. Bear in mind I have been in Nox for a day now.

1) I have received a most gracious welcome. I did not expect this. I expected a few welcomes and that was it. So, one thing that is "right" is courteous and friendly hospitality shown a newcomer. I did not feel intimidated or put off by anyone.

2) I am not being treated as a n00b. I am certain most people herein know what that sort of treatment is like. I know that I am being watched, which is only logical. However, I am being spoken to as a normal member.

3) I have received help when I asked very promptly. As any newcomer I need to learn my way around the forums and how to operate the software.

4) I am seeing a high level of intellectual discussion and some very good posts. Again, I have nowhere near paroused Nox sufficient to make this a blanket statement, but, so far, I am pleased.

5) I feel more of a "family" setting here than at most boards and I am not, so far, feeling any pressure. I know that Nox has a posting requirement of once a month but that is nowhere near unreasonable. I also saw a forum for if you are taking a leave of absence.

6) I like the application process and think that it truly is a good idea. I am certain this is not liked by all but it truly seems to be a good idea to me with a site as large as Nox. On smaller boards this is just not going to work. I also received admittance within, I guess, 3 days of application. That is not a long time to wait.

7) So far I am seeing very little (actually, no) Drama. I am certain as I read I shall find it but usually upon first perusing a board Drama screams out at you.

8) I am very careful with where I place my posts, striving to put them in the appropriate forum. Before I post, I look through all of them and see if my post "belongs" there. I might be incorrect in this feeling, but I feel that if I do misplace a post, it shall be moved and I shall be told in a nice fashion.

Does this mean Nox is perfect? No. Humans are not perfect. I am certain I am going to find things I dislike within Nox, as I shall with any venue.

Nox seems to be a more mature board than many in the OVC. I suspect that is, at least, partially due to the voting process. One of the things I have heard about Nox is that the Drama of the OVC is not appreciated here. That is why I applied. I have heard that Nox is not "into" Drama. I have declared my board a Drama Free zone as well, but it is, well, very small. There are other boards that have declared themselves Drama Free zones as well. They are also small. Nox is a large board that has, from what I have heard, declared itself an OVC Drama Free zone.

Question: I am seeing "VC" used rather than "OVC" on Nox. Is "VC" preferred herein?

I shall be able to give a better answer after I have been here a bit.

Again, thankyou for having me here and I believe I shall contribute to Nox as Nox shall contribute to me.

Camazotz
02-04-2007, 09:59 AM
Question: I am seeing "VC" used rather than "OVC" on Nox. Is "VC" preferred herein?



Firstly thank you for all your lovely comments, I truly do hope that Nox manages to be the kind of place that you have encountered so far- certainly we all here have a lot of love for the old gal *smiles*

In terms of VC vs OVC, I can't answer for anyone else, but personally OVC is a new term to me. We seem to have mainly always used VC here, apart from in recent months- not entirely sure where the change has come from, or why we were different to begin with. Either works though!

kyuuketsuki_kurai
02-04-2007, 01:08 PM
VC is typically used to refer to the Vampire Community as a whole, both online and offline. This better includes houses and the sort.
OVC is the Online Vampire Community, and only includes what is online.
Either one is welcome, and it depends entirely on which one you are talking about.

ChadSang
03-15-2007, 09:19 AM
I never heard of OVC either. Learn something new, every day