Leaders !!!!

[RevDevon]

As a continuation to the thread on Natural Born Leaders.. Lets also ask this question ... As there are many throughout the community both appointed and self proclaimed .... Who do you look to as a Leader/Elder and why ?? .. As well as who do you disagree with being a Leader/Elder ..... As the latter opens up the possiblity of disagreements this thread shall be monitored closely and if it becomes to heated shall be moved to debates...

[theoutsider]

I try to live my life in a meritorcasy. If you can do something, you have more repsect and more leadership when it comes to that thing.

So, it depends on what circumstances surround me at the time...

[RKCoon]

Hmm... there was a time where i called a substantial number of people as good decent leaders -- thats since changed. these days, theres a select few i hold in that regard -- these days i tendto fly solo.

[Camazotz]

There are a few... a very select few, who I would consider deserve the title. Yourself Rev are a certainty for it... the kindness and time that you give to other people and the tireless way you help others means you most certainly deserve it.

Inky... you're another who I would consider an elder. For all the time and worry you put into things for other people. Just kills me to realise how little people notice the mass of work that you actually do and your contribution.

Preist would be my third... for all you have done for me since my own awakening and for the time I see you put in with others, even those who don't deserve the attention- and still you keep trying.

Finally, I gotta say MLE and Eclecta.. you two are shining lights for the love and care that you give to all of us in this community.

Looking around Nox, i can see a few others who I also have a world of love and respect for, but I don't know that they'd take it as a compliment to be called "elder", so shall leave it at that lol...

Cama

[Zahaqiel]

Canberra's vampires sort of live in a state of anarchy. There aren't many of us, and we each respect each other and trade information as is needed. Not much happens, so we don't really need to form a community.
Technically, I guess I could constitute a leader, since I do more study than the others, and have a bit more experience... but the necessity just isn't there.

Here in the forums... I don't know people well enough.

[Pale White Skin]

Not sure about Vampire leaders.... I've always been very adverse to any kind of hierachy or authority figures. Mostly because I have huge trust issues, but that's a personal thing for me. However, I do know a select few people who are not just Leaders, but Commanders. It isn't something you can become or something you can teach, you either have it or you don't.

Malcolm X was one of them, as was Ghandi, Martin Luther King, Joan of Arc, and dare I say it (altough be the controversy on my head) Adolf Hitler had it too. obviously in an evil way, nd i am in no way praising Hitler, he just chose to use his talent for evil.

People like that can't help but command the hearts of almost everyone they talk to. I have only ever met one Vampire like that.

Pale.

[Preist]

hmmm i find this one a touchy suject at the moment i dont class my self as a leader of the comunity i like ot mentor people who come to me for help and give them the best i have if i have to i know a few others who would be beter suited for them to learn from

the thing that saddens me ot see so many out there who are claiming to be newly awakend or role players who have inched there way into the community as being vampires and then passing on as comunity leaders and well i will leave it there as its a touchy subject just now to many want to take up the role for what ever reason and call them selves elders the only thing i can see from this is a whole thing on power when they should relise that being an elder of anything is a responsibility to the comunity not just something as a show

Preist

[theoutsider]

Personally, I'm too anarchistic to ever 'follow' anyone, and if anyone ever chose to 'follow' me, that's their own perogative. (I'd usually discourage it, though, because it's not like me to follow, so why should anyone trying to emulate me follow me?)

If I ever met a natural leader, I think they'd dislike me and my anarchistic ways... I don't follow orders unless they make sense, and I don't listen to an argument unless it's defendable. Maybe it's just me, but I'm pretty sure that anyone out there that would be smart enough to lead me would be smart enough to not desire a follower like me. :)

[Lazarus]

...I have only ever followed one commander amoung vampires...

[Savion]

I will not follow either. In my opinion there are very few who deserve a title of leader or elder. Most are self appointed and that in itself makes the title worthless as far as I am concerned. In the vampire community the leaders are those who remain apart as they help and teach. They do not thrive on attention and being the first to publish a book or appear on tv. They gently and with a great measure of patience guide and give advice to the best of their own abilities. They look out for the young and those awakening who are confused and bewildered by their natures. If they get little or no recognition they persist and know within themselves they have done well.

I see many who fit this description at Nox. This is not something I say lightly. I see so many willing to help without drama and without having to have recognition by way of a glaring spotlight. You are truly the leaders.

[RKCoon]

Savion, ya nailed it in one. nicely put. :)

[darklin]

I would have to totaly agree with savion there and i couldnt have put it better myself hunnie but heres my two pennies worth anyhoot....
My nature dosent allow me to be led by anyone im my own person and will do what i feel or think is right but i will listern and respect those here that i know are here to help and guide others without the need for recognision or a blue peter badge..Ive seen people here selflessly take time out to help others and thats the reason i call Nox my home..I wouldnt have it anyother way.
Darklin
xxx

[Schala]

Myself, I don't have anyone specific that I call a leader and I don't give myself the title of someone powerful. I am more powerful than some and not as powerful as others...in all aspects. Basically, I follow when I feel the need to follow and I lead when I feel the need to lead.

[ChadSang]

I think most vampires detest trying to be a follower. Most of seem to be our own person. I follow some ideas ans ideals from some of the greats that have lived and are still living, But, I'm not what you call following them

[incubus]

I my self have mainly lead, although at times I follow if the persons ideas has warrant.

No man can be right all the time, at times he must bow to an idea greater then his, it does not mean he has to follow blind, or even follow long, as long as the road is going in the direction they need.

I do what is needed and most logical for myself.

Remember boys and girls, some times it takes a stronger person to follow and trust another’s idea then to lead.

[Schala]

I think most vampires detest trying to be a follower. Most of seem to be our own person. I follow some ideas ans ideals from some of the greats that have lived and are still living, But, I'm not what you call following them


Hmm...I must not be like most vampires then because if I feel someone is worth following, I will follow them. Usually when I admire someone's knowledge/wisdom/whatever appeals to me, I tell them "Congrats. You've got a stalker." or something along those lines.

[bigeyes_and_underfed]

there was one male figure whom used to be on these boards, who was also on the board previous to joining this one 4+years ago...and i had always looked to him as being some one to believe in and look to for answers, solice, etc.

he shall remain nameless only because...when i admire some one, for whatever reason i'd rather them not know it, and i wouldnt know if he was still under the same name here.

so yes i do look to some people as having knowledge that is very useful to the vampire community.
but very very rarely

[incubus]

I have looked up to many for dif reasons, and at dif times. But I can say names they are really no secrets.

Nef (unholy) she brought me into knowledge and with out whom I would have no clue what or who I was, nor would I be a man I am today.

Rev, the man has been so much guidence to me in so many ways.

Dawn, she also helped me and guided me durring a very rough time.

Now whom I have guided, that I would never say, but it just shows at times a leader at times not.

[Malcaius]

the true quality of a leader is someone people trust, someone people reali on, someone who in times of hardship and stress will shrug their shoulders andtake up the burden alone if need be, the kind of person who does'nt ask for power, or need it, the kind of person you'd follow because damn it they just have that edge, like no matter what the worlds hitsthem with they'll try their best to help others. the kind of person who would come to your funeral and remember your name and some minor thing you did, even tho they never knew you personally.. the kind of person who'll let themelves be torn apart, slanderd.. even eaten for the sake of others... the kind of person who would walk into a town full of troubles and try to help solve them all without asking for anything in return...

this is my idea of a leader... an elder has to be all this and more, not only a leader but also someone wise and respectful, someone who will teach if asked, and guide if followed, someone who cares about the greater good of all, even those blinded and corrupted by there own self intrest, someone who cares not for one group but all of his kind..

in short its hard to fit into my ideals of leadership.. a few leaders i could name would be Rob, who sacrificed lot of his personal time and life for this community, MLE, who even now with heavy personal issues on her shoulders comes here in hopes of being able to help make life better for others, and Chad old and suffering because of his own past, striken by an illness that will never go away, who should be enjoying retirment and not having to work ever again, giving up that time to come here and offer freely what he used to do for a living.

as for elders there is but two names id put in that slot right now Stefan, who gave so much and tryed so hard, who nearly lost his family, because of hsi love for the community and his determination to make it a better place for all.. and Revdevon, whos passion for this community has not failed him yet, if not for Rev's fire and strength and a few harsh words when needed i would not be on nox today.. he amoungst all of the people here has no real need to do what he does, he has his happiness (wendi and his kitchen) he has had a long and intrest life and can say been there done that to so many things, but he is here because he wants to help others, he wants to give each following generation of us a chance in this world and a home.

inky may be the farther and brains of now, and Mle and others make up its heart, but Rev is like a living avatar of its soul. and im glad to have known him, and if he asked me to walk into a fire fight out maned and out gunned, with no hope of survival, and less chance of victory, id follow him, and id belive we could win.

[Nochtal]

I tend not to follow any net leaders. I am head of the Tzentzrelian family, and lead my own clan, so I don't bother to be a proclaimed leader on the net. I am just a wandering sage finding compainionship on the net.

From what I've seen, Chadsang is more of a quidance. RevDevon is like your home priest.

[KISISSA ELOLAM SELASSIE]

Haile Selassie I~ This Is Not The Place To Talk About The Reasons Why.

Good Topic.

[Nochtal]

I was hit by the thought again and realized I may not of said that quite right.

I don't like the term of leaders. All are students, all are teachers. I see it more of is it your time to learn, or is it your time to lead, or is the lesson not even for you, and your just there.