From Vampyre Mythos

[Preist]

we can all look at the books written on vampires and the old legends and we know that what we see and read isnt true to what we are and we put it to the media hyping the truth

but please consider this in every old tale there is an element of truth to them mabey we cant disapear into a mist but then we do use and manpulate energy that can be construed as mist there is a few more old myths that i could go into but this isnt the place for it on other kin

we all know that in legend of Dracula he could change form to a wolf or a bat and in some cases dependant on were read a moth as well so ok we see and read this as being just myth but i would say made a spirutal shift is more reality than mythos

I am not saying there is a direct link to wereism or shifters to vampires all i am saying is if the old stories have there element of truth then vampires will have ability to shift as well the reasoning may go deeper than most of us have found most vampires i train during there awakaning periods seem to have some sort of shifting abilty some have to have it drawn out from deep down but they mostly have it mabey its the way i was trained in energy and magicks or i just atact the type but still something to consider

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[Craze]

This shouldn't be in here.... Moving grom otherkin to vamp general.

yes, I think there is a small nugget of truth to every myth and legend, but there's also what's contained in the myth or legend to consider.

[Camazotz]

I think it was put there for a specific reason- that being that many vamps find the concept of shifting to be something so foreign. It's still a taboo on many vamp boards to say that you have a were-side as well, whereas as many of us have found it's not so different at all.

There are lots here who have a were-side. There are many others who wouldn't identify with this, but who have wings, horns, phantom fangs, claws etc etc.

The point, in my humble opinion, was to be careful to not just immediately dismiss something as being myth only. Most people would dismiss vampirism as purely a myth and in turn many vamps dismiss shifting in the same manner.

Just my two cents

Cama

[Craze]

Is there a way to copy posts? I didn't see one, it might do well in both forums.

[Camazotz]

Craze... yes there is, but now it's been moved you'll have to get in touch with Apokryphos and get him to make a copy of it back into your section as we can only perform actions on the threads that we specifically moderate.

Cama

[Preist]

yeh it was a post i thought might make a good discouion in the other kin section generaly about the things we are and what got lost along the way in regard to vampiresm and being otherkin.

truth behind the myth and the myth behind th truth so to speak

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[darklin]

Was just going through the boards and i thought id bump this one back up and give my two pennys worth anall;)
My nanna who was a very wise woman told me lots of things while she was alive and none of them would i ever dismiss.
I once asked her if there were real faires?Her reply to me was that ever myth is put there to hide or take the lime light so to speak from the truth because the world and human nature just would be able to accept something so unacceptable?Things have been surpressed in all of our minds to some degree and she ended that by tellin me never to loose my childlike yet ancent spirit.That statment i never understood until now.I know she saw something in me,she nurtured it for aslong as she was alive but she passed away when i was only 8yrs old.It makes me wonder now what would i have been like if i would have had her influences throughout my life?Aww well something to keep my wee mind tickin over but thats to this post i have jolted a very presious memory i had forgotten so thank you ;)
Love Darklin
xxx

[Preist]

I beleive the same darklin hun i feel that behind every story there is a truth to it no matter who weird and ok some exseptions to the rule but your nanna was a wise woman i dont think i would be as open minded if it wasent for my mum.

But since the thread has been raised again how does everyoe feel about the subject was there truth behind the stories of Bram stokers dracula or are they just things that are brought about by the story.

I lighter vereion of anothet topic on the board so how do you all feel about it

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[Camazotz]

I think there are a lot of truths behind all the myths. One such example to my mind is this:

In many eastern european vamp myths, one was meant to spread rice or grain on the ground to help save yourself from a vamp. The vamp was meant to be unable to walk past this without having to stop and count them all, so it would give you lots of time to do whatever you needed. Now, that is no doubt a myth. But, in my personal experience, most vamps that I've met have some form or another of OCD (be it mild or severe), which is pretty much the thing that's being talked about.

Cama

[darklin]

Thats a really good point cama hun ive never thought about it like that before :)

[Camazotz]

thanks hun *hugs*

Cama

[Savion]

But since the thread has been raised again how does everyoe feel about the subject was there truth behind the stories of Bram stokers dracula or are they just things that are brought about by the story.


Stoker used myths already in existence for some elements of his story, but he also created at least one I can think of. A vampire not having a reflection did not exist in vampire lore until Stoker's novel was published. Just before publication Stoker changed the central character's name from Count Wampyr to Count Dracula. This could cause speculation that he did not know of Dracula until just before publication. There are many ways this could be contradicted. I will come to them shortly.

It was easy for Stoker to bring Vlad Tepes into the story of Dracula. He was cruel and ruthless though considered a hero in his own country. A woodcutting depicted him sitting at amidst a field of impaled corpses having a meal. It was said he allowed the blood of the impaled to drain into a bowl and dipped his bread into the blood. Not exactly Dracula-like is it? But nonetheless he is consuming blood and that in itself makes the mythos surrounding Vlad plausible.

The following seem to lend creedence to the fact Stoker was fully aware of Tepes during writing the novel:

1.) A stake through the heart kills a vampire. Shades of impalement perhaps.

2.) Tepes was said to suffer from an allergy of some sort which caused to him to lose control at the sight of blood as well as crave it.

3.) Removing a vampire's head would ensure its death. Tepes, was removed and placed on a pole.

4.) Dracula's explaination of his origin: (from the novel) What devil or what witch was ever so great as Attila, whose blood is in these veins?" He held up his arms. "Is it a wonder that we were a conquering race, that we were proud, that when the Magyar, the Lombard, the Avar, the Bulgar, or the Turk poured his thousands on our frontiers, we drove them back?"

5.) When Tepes was imprisoned he totured and impaled insects and rodents. (Renfield syndrome)

[Twilight_Pisces]

In my thoughts, much like the Salem Witch Trials... It could be true that people have actually seen vampires of old feeding, and ran in fear later telling stories of that experience, but only hyped them up to make the person look less cowardly, or just to make their story more interesting. Thus, creating all the myths we see now in movies and books. Of course a vampire is going to be killed by a stake in the heart. Who wouldn't be killed by being stabbed in the heart?

One more thought, maybe not relevant to this, but many warriors believed that by eating the hearts of thier enemies, they gained their enemies strength. So, perhaps the same idea was applied to blood, and Vlad Tepes drank the blood of his enemies to gain their strength.

[Preist]

you get the idea there twilight in factr if you look through out occult history you find that garlic was used for many other entities other than vampires think this might come from the fact it was wild garlic and would be enough to keep anything back within nostril distance lol

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[RevDevon]

was just looking through this saw that it had been moved and needed to be split ..... so shall it be